Two-Tribes to retire!

DigDougXD Administrator Posts: 5,238 Consoles: WIIU/3DS/Switch NNID: Gabriel_Chase Switch Friend Code: 510110853935	Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 10, 2016 15:43:26 GMT Harri and Sir, PeterVader like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by DigDougXD on Mar 10, 2016 15:43:26 GMT Sad news the makers of Toki-Tori and the upcoming Rive are retiring once that game launches!

andyu Hero of Time Posts: 555 Consoles: XBOne/WiiU/Switch Switch Friend Code: 279359185100	Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 10, 2016 19:57:23 GMT via mobile DigDougXD, Sir, PeterVader, and 1 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by andyu on Mar 10, 2016 19:57:23 GMT What a shame, I've really enjoyed their games and keep going back to the Rive demo.

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DigDougXD Administrator Posts: 5,238 Consoles: WIIU/3DS/Switch NNID: Gabriel_Chase Switch Friend Code: 510110853935	Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 10, 2016 22:14:28 GMT Sir, PeterVader likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by DigDougXD on Mar 10, 2016 22:14:28 GMT They posted a rather long explanation. After reading it I'm none the wiser.

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Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 10, 2016 22:18:13 GMT DigDougXD, Harri, and 1 more like this

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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 22:18:13 GMT

Just read their blog they say times have changed and they no longer feel that they can be successful on the business end of the industry. I'm sure they could of kept on going. Still they're going out with a bang with Rive.

Sir, PeterVader Master Hand When no one else is online but you.....Ghosttownverse! Posts: 1,207	Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 11, 2016 17:00:45 GMT DigDougXD likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Sir, PeterVader on Mar 11, 2016 17:00:45 GMT It's always tougher for the smaller game developers.
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Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 11, 2016 19:20:24 GMT DigDougXD and Harri like this

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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 19:20:24 GMT

It's just proof that things like ' free to play ' are the worst thing ever created.

Two Tribes :

While we were working on Toki Tori 2+ for two years, the industry was changing without us realizing it. The market was flooded with games by developers from all around the world. Game development schools were erected, and every year thousands of students tried their luck under increasingly difficult conditions. With game changers such as the Humble Bundle, the ever-continuing race to the bottom and a growing focus on free-to-play games, it became tough for a game to even hit the break-even point.

And that makes RedDwarf

DigDougXD Administrator Posts: 5,238 Consoles: WIIU/3DS/Switch NNID: Gabriel_Chase Switch Friend Code: 510110853935	Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 11, 2016 19:24:41 GMT Harri, andyu, and 1 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by DigDougXD on Mar 11, 2016 19:24:41 GMT I think this makes us all

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Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 11, 2016 19:31:33 GMT DigDougXD and Sir, PeterVader like this

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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 19:31:33 GMT

Seeing guys like these going under for things like ' free to play ' just makes me really sad for the future of the industry, between that and micro-transactions, well I think they are a cancer to this industry that we all love. God help us all if this is the future...

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Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 12, 2016 10:23:25 GMT via mobile DigDougXD, Sir, PeterVader, and 1 more like this

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Post by Harri on Mar 12, 2016 10:23:25 GMT

If it is, I'm going to stop. I don't even like that there's Amiibo content in the upcoming Zelda...

Toki Tori 2+ is a really good game. There was so much potential in the character too...

Tin foil hats for everyone!

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Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 12, 2016 12:08:28 GMT DigDougXD, Harri, and 1 more like this

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Not to keen on the Amiibo's myself Harri but if it helps keep Nintendo afloat then it might be a good thing. Even the big N has started with free to play etc. Just have to see how far Nintendo go there MK8 DLC was great and worth it though.

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Post by Harri on Mar 12, 2016 14:05:24 GMT

MK8 DLC was really good. Also the Pikmin 3 DLC and Super Luigi U as DLC are great. If they wanted to add to the value of Amiibo's, they should give you a full VC title from one, and not just some pointless "demo" IMO.

It's a hard price point for the indie developer to be in the 15-20€ range on the eshop. Your game really has to be good, and you really have to give a reasonable amount of content for the price. I think they tried to do too much for Toki Tori 2+, and lost their profits in the process. Selling the product for a lot cheaper on Steam didn't do them any favours either. They devalued their own game in the eyes of people who where looking for it on the Wii U too. It's just like "Hold on, where does the extra fiver come from?" Make a game, price the game, sell your game according to the value and content. Not according to platform.

Free-to-play is a cancer for sure. I think it will have a huge negative impact to the industry in the long run. Same thing like all the streaming services in music. You think that you're getting a good deal, but you're mostly listening for free while the artist gets nothing. That's not very sustainable in the long run.

Tin foil hats for everyone!

Dennis U Hero of Time Game freak Posts: 617 Consoles: WIIU/3DS NNID: Mangamusicfan	Two-Tribes to retire! Mar 18, 2016 13:40:48 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Dennis U on Mar 18, 2016 13:40:48 GMT Shame to see a good dutch company go, they had some good games!
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